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CatalinaLovers
ParticipantSeptember 10, 2015 at 3:38 pmPost count: 22From Wife:
My husband introduced me to the idea of having sex outside of our marriage about four years ago. There are so many aspects of it that I love. It has brought some amazing sparks to our marriage, encouraged me to really embrace my sexuality, and helped me feel desirable again after two kids. But recently I decided we should take a break from it because I have been getting a lot of mixed messages from my husband.When we first started dabbling in this lifestyle, I was very cautious – I only met up with guys after a lot of encouragement from my husband, when my husband had arranged it and even if I had a great time – I was never was with the same guy more than once. I never let guys have my phone number, so there was no communication after the fact. I didn’t want my husband to feel threatened in any way.As time went on, my husband continued to prod me that I should take control. He wanted me to meet guys on my own, to take initiative, to develop more regular relationships with different guys. I have proceeded cautiously – but I’m starting to feel like it isn’t working.Each time I have been in a sexual situation where I arranged it in any manner (and even a couple where he arranged it), my husband has told me I did something wrong in that situation. Sometimes when I have been meeting a guy without him there, he has complained that I didn’t text him early enough, or didn’t send enough pictures. In cases where he has been present, he has been upset that he wasn’t involved enough – or has told me that things I said during sex upset him and made him think I wanted something more than just sex with the other guy. Another time I was flirting with the father of a playmate of my preschool child over text message. The interested guy suggested we arrange a playdate for our kids at playground so we could see each other in person. In this case my husband the wrong way because kids were being used as a “front” for seeing each other. It feels especially hard, because the implication is always that I’m somehow being selfish and not considering his feelings – and this is the absolute farthest things from the truth.At first I thought maybe there was some sort of elaborate set of rules in my husband’s head that I needed to figure out – and once I did, I would be able to do this “hotwife” thing “the right way”. But over time, I realized there was no set of rules. Rather, virtually every encounter ends up rubbing him the wrong way in some little manner – and it is basically impossible to predict what the specific irritation will be. Afterwards, my husband is never directly mad at me – but passively he is. He’ll spend a week getting frustrated with me about completely unrelated things, acting distant and annoyed, even being more rough during sex in a way that I feel is channeling his anger..It all starts to feel a bit like a trap. Like I’m told – go take control and embrace your sexuality. My husband tells me he wants me to. He *needs* me to. But each time I do – there are consequences. I completely understand that me being with another guy could be upsetting to him. If the roles were reversed, I don’t think I could handle him being off with other women! That said, the mixed messages make my head spin and leave me very unhappy.I love being a hotwife. Absolutely love it. I love what it does for how I feel about myself, and how I feel about our marriage. But if I have to contend with a sad husband at home, or a passive aggressive husband at home, or an angry husband at home… or even just feelings that I was selfish and somehow “did it wrong” when I took control – it doesn’t feel worth it.Any advice?From Husband To Lovr Via Email: (Also had no idea my wife feels this way described above to the extent, makes me feel bad)Hi there,My wife and I have dabbled on and off with the hotwife lifestyle for the past 3.5 years. We have had many fun nights where I am involved and watch her with other guys. Lately we played with a VERY WELL HUNG male together in a threesome, which mostly turned into the two of them but still was very hot. Shortly later after that night she went to his home by herself and came back to me after fucking him for several hours. We had hot sex while I reclaimed her, but then after while casually talking she told me he fucks her better than me along with another male she has been with. She wasn’t doing it to be mean or hurt me, I think she thought I would like the honesty, while she talked dirty about her encounter with him, and I think she thought it would turn me on.
I have been struggling with angst since the beginning even though this whole thing was my idea. I think the problem is that I am more dominant and have a hard time with submission. After hearing that. The next night, I fucked her very roughly, spanking her hard, spanking her pussy, as well as playful slapping of the breasts. I used restraints and made her tell me how much she loved me, how I taught her to be more sexual, and she should never think someone fucks her better. She came a lot.
This week this guy and her have been texting an planning another meeting together. I told her I was a little torn about the idea and now she is telling me she wants to take a break until I am 100% secure in being a cuckold. I think she is totally in the right. She does not like my angst and feels I get angry when she dates other men. This really only happens when she sees a man more than once. So it starts off fun for me until she starts dating someone, then I can’t handle it. In her words “Maybe my old approach of being with a guy only once does work better for us!”
Anyway, any ideas how I accept that I am a cuckold and make my wife comfortable with it. How I stop trying to compete with these other men and embrace the pleasure they give her?
Regards,
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CatalinaLovers
ParticipantSeptember 13, 2015 at 12:29 pmPost count: 22Thank you for those who have sent us personal messages. I guess we should have introduced ourselves before posting for advise on our first post :). We are Joseph and Shiloh. Shiloh is the Queen Bee and I am the little bee. We are both very much in love with each-other and both super sexual. We have spent the weekend discussing our lifestyle decisions so far. What this lifestyle has definitely done for us is to ensure that we are on point communicating openly to each-other. We are going to continue our journey and Shiloh will be seeing her newest lover again soon.
My wife is the most beautiful sexual creature in the world, and I enjoy very much sharing her beauty with others. I also know that she desires to enjoy sexual experiences with others as long as we are both happy together and solid in our relationship. I am going to continue to work on my insecurities and angst and not sending mix messages. She is going to work on better comforting me and my insecurities as well as including me more and not treating our marriage and her outside relationships as separate. She also will be working to better communicate with her lovers about her desires and my desires as a cuckold. We have agreed that the majority of our experiences so far have been good experiences and it is the ones that I get insecure and angsty about that overshadow the rest and send mix messages to her.
We look forward to contributing more to this forum as we can. We have been enjoying Luvr’s blog since we started.
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Luvr
KeymasterSeptember 13, 2015 at 12:49 pmPost count: 288Shiloh, I’m happy to say, is now a verified hotwife – I’ll post an article to that effect shortly.
Nice ass! But, I digress.
The issue you two are experiencing is not at all uncommon. What’s uncommon is that you’ve given your husband repeated chances to correct/manage/figure out his issue(s). Most often when a wife encounters such mixed signals she simply calls it off. Perhaps the only reason you haven’t is because his need/interest in this seems so sincere.
I’m very glad you two have reached out for some help on this and despite the very awkward start for you two, I think this can be worked out. Your husband is doing what we call topping from the bottom. This is a behavior where someone appears to be taking an assertive role by encouraging and even being demanding of certain things but fails to maintain that role of authority. A husband in a naturally assertive role ‘drives the bus’. He decides where to go, how fast to get there, and what happens after you arrive and depart. A husband topping from the bottom wants the bus to get there, but doesn’t want to drive it – he pushes it enough to get it rolling…then runs ahead of it to get hit by it! What I mean by that is they assert themselves just enough to enable a situation or experience where they can then enjoy a non-assertive (non-leadership) role. Once the experience is over, they are back on the roller coaster wanting to set up another ride.
He’s right that you need to take control. In fact, he’s far more right than he realizes. You essentially need to lay down some law. This is going to happen (this way) or it doesn’t happen anymore at all. He has displayed a complete inability to manage his excitement, his anxiety, and to place your needs even at par with his, let alone ahead of them.
Now that I’ve torn him down a bit, let me give him his due for having supported sharing you in the first place – it’s never easy – but if it were, it wouldn’t be enjoyable. I also have to applaud him for seeking help – that demonstrates that your relationship is, in the end, what matters most to him.
What I think you both need is a bit of guidance – some limits and expectations you can both commit to regarding your own behavior and regarding your interactions with each other. These ‘rules’ will be the ‘business plan’ of your adventure together as a hotwife/cuckold couple. It’s often easier for a couple to get such guidance from a third party since neither will then feel the other is at more of an advantage. This is why a Dom is so good for a cuckold couple but the paradox is a couple has to have opportunity to let a Dom earn that trust before he can do that work for them. I’ll try to shortcut that process a bit since it seems you two will likely take to my advice more easily than just some guy she’s dating.
This process will end the issue of always feeling the goalposts move or are missing entirely. To continue in this lifestyle, BOTH have to adhere to expectations, not just the wife.
You two should come visit the chatroom so we can speak in real-time.
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Luvr
KeymasterSeptember 13, 2015 at 1:14 pmPost count: 288I had a few more thoughts to share just to give you two an idea of what to do now.
I do think Shiloh should continue dating this new bull she has. I say this because she’s done her best to include her cuckold and has never demonstrated behavior that is destructive to the bond of trust necessary between a hotwife and her cuckold.
The only real boundary, or limit, a cuckold couple needs in their lifestyle is to ensure that their behavior as a couple and as individuals, and the behavior allowed by the bull/boyfriend/Dom is never permitted to come between them and so far, that’s seems very much the case for her.
With the above being true, yet Joseph behaving otherwise, Joseph is guilty of saying, through his behavior, that he doesn’t trust Shiloh (or their relationship). I don’t believe he actually feels this way, but his behavior says that for him.
Shiloh should still date. Her cuckold should have a role in helping her get ready, her cuckold has a right to hearing from her at least once during the date. Her cuckold cannot txt or call her without an emergency or having been texted first and then my only reply once. How they reconnect when she returns home is to be discussed and decided ahead of time to prevent her cuckold from taking the upper hand by force. She should get to date her new friend until and unless she simply doesn’t find doing so appealing or something happens/fails to happen which undermines the relationship between her and the guy or between the couple. Without such an event, the cuckold has no basis for standing in the way.
I look forward to discussing formalizing these rules for you two so you can proceed.
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